WATCH: Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Combating Terror, 'Stop Demonizing
Israel, Learn From Them'
'Over time, and in a painful way, Israel developed an
infrastructure. It is legal. It is counterterrorism measures. It's
intelligence. They know what they're doing.'
Haaretz Nov 18, 2015 4:14 PM
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/video/1.686877
Fox News transcript:
KELLY: Breaking tonight. Hillary Clinton is not the only one
who will not identify this enemy as radical Islam. Here is President
Obama, just earlier today.
OBAMA: And, so to the degree that anyone would equate the
terrible actions that took place in Paris with the abuse of Islam, those kinds
of stereotypes are counterproductive, they're wrong. They will lead, I think to
greater recruitment in the terrorist organizations over time if this becomes
somehow defined as a Muslim problem as suppose to a terrorist problem.
KELLY: Joining me now, Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She is the author of
the book Heretic and founder of the Ayaan Hirsi Ali foundation. Ayaan was
raised Muslim and was forcibly mutilated before renouncing the religion and its
ideals, Ayaan, thank you very much for being with us tonight. So what of that
argument? We've heard that argument from the president and his supporters that
if we call it a war on radical Islam, we're going to alienate the rest of the
Muslim world, not just the radical Islamists, but the rest of the Muslim world.
skip - Activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali shares her thoughts about
the Paris terror attacks on 'The Kelly File'
AYAAN HIRSI ALI, FOUNDER OF AYAAN HIRSI ALI FOUNDATION: I
think the president is right. The United States of America and the western
civilization is not at war with Islam, but Islamic extremists is invoking
Islamic theology, and aided and abetted by some Muslim nations, the most prominent
which is Saudi Arabia and the other one is Qatar are waging war on us. And the
strategy from 9/11 that is indeed the former President Bush, but also other
western leaders, the strategy that if we equate, if we say this is something
within Islam, we're going to lose the battle to them, that has been tried and
it is failing as we are seeing now in Paris. I lived in Europe, and the entire
leadership agreed on this argument, but what we are witnessing now is a failure
of that strategy. We need to face the problem and we should start by naming it.
KELLY: We look at this over and over again, and we believed
here in America, many, that if we wouldn't use that terminology, and did -- and
pulled back from the Middle East somewhat, perhaps, they wouldn't hate us so
much. Perhaps, they wouldn't want to hit us. Perhaps, there would be some
detente with these people. It now appears that hasn't worked.
HIRSI ALI: It hasn't worked. We -- listen, one of the things
that we really have to digest is that Islamic extremism is older than this
election cycle and the last one and 9/11. It is at least, Sunni Islamic
extremism is at least 95 to 98-years-old. And it's going to outlast this
election cycle. This is -- this problem is just stay with us. It's not what we
do or say what we don't do or we don't say, we have a substantial number of
people on the planet who are Muslim, invoking Islamic theology, who have
declared war on our way of life. The association between men and women on our
tolerance, our freedoms, the call on everything that western civilization is,
we need to acknowledge that and defend ourselves. And the way to first thing to
do is to acknowledge.
KELLY: I want to ask you that. That's the thing.
HIRSI ALI: Ideology for instance.
KELLY: That's the thing is that, it doesn't matter -- it
doesn't, doesn't matter what we call them or what we do, it seems -- they
object to our belief system. They left -- object to our way of life. They
object to the fact that we don't necessarily believe in Allah. That we have the
First Amendment, that we have the (inaudible). They object to so much about who
we are and the way we live. And so, you wrote.
HIRSI ALI: Absolutely. And by ignoring all of that.
KELLY: How, how we could -- as a practical matter, go about
protecting ourselves and the first thing in your article was learn from Israel.
HIRSI ALI: Absolutely. Israel, from the time it was founded,
had to deal with this. And over time, and in a painful way, Israel developed an
infrastructure. It is legal. It is counterterrorism measures. It's
intelligence. They know what they're doing. We should stop demonizing Israel.
We should start learning from them. And by my knowledge, it's -- you know,
Israel really doesn't call -- doesn't -- hasn't declared war on Islam. Israel
collaborates with some of the Muslim countries when they want to collaborate
with Israel. But Israel is at a place now where I think, in terms of fighting
domestic terrorism, they have made such headway that the scenes we've seen in
Paris are unthinkable. Yes, the terrorists are using knives and cars and other
desperate measures, but the mass murder of Israelis on Israelis soil is now
unthinkable because of the measures that they put in place. And I think we have
a lot to learn from them.
KELLY: I recommend -- it is for everybody. It's fascinating.
It offers so many smart insights as we always expect from you, Ayaan, thank you
for being here tonight.
HIRSI ALI: Thank you, Megyn. Thank you.
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